RM38T0EC _51 Engine / Hybrid System _115233 STOP AND START _0510781 STOP AND START SYSTEM J

STOP AND START  STOP AND START SYSTEM  Failure to Restart from IG-ON Engine Stall  


DESCRIPTION

This is the troubleshooting procedure for situations where the engine does not restart when attempting to restart it after a failed engine start occurred under stop and start system control.

CAUTION / NOTICE / HINT

PRECAUTIONS WHEN THE ENGINE STOP AND START ECU AND THE STARTER ASSEMBLY ARE REPLACED


NOTICE:
·

When the engine stop and start ECU is replaced, it is necessary to read the number of starter operations before replacement and store this number in the new engine stop and start ECU after replacement, and to perform external backup boost converter (eco run vehicle converter assembly) existence learning. Moreover, initialization/learning of the air conditioning information and initialization/learning of the deceleration sensor zero point are also required.

Click hereEngine / Hybrid System>STOP AND START>STOP AND START SYSTEM>REGISTRATION

·

When the starter assembly is replaced, the number of starter operations stored in the engine stop and start ECU must be reset.

Click hereEngine / Hybrid System>STOP AND START>STOP AND START SYSTEM>REGISTRATION

·

When the starter assembly is replaced, "ST relay" must be also replaced.

·

Inspect the fuses for circuits related to this system before performing the following procedure.




PRECAUTIONS FOR FOUR-WHEEL TOWING


Do not tow the vehicle with all 4 wheels on the ground.

NOTICE:
·

Towing the vehicle with all 4 wheels on the ground may have a detrimental effect on the stop and start system, and could lead to damage.



HINT:

If it is absolutely necessary to tow the vehicle with all 4 wheels on the ground, before towing first turn the ignition switch off. Then, turn the ignition switch to ON without starting the engine, and tow the vehicle.



PRECAUTIONS WHEN REPLACING ECM


NOTICE:

When the ECM is replaced on a vehicle with a non-specified auxiliary battery, it is necessary to perform auxiliary battery type switching.

Click hereEngine / Hybrid System>STOP AND START>STOP AND START SYSTEM>REGISTRATION



PROCEDURE

1.CHECK VEHICLE CONTROL HISTORY (RoB) (FAILURE TO RESTART FROM IG-ON ENGINE STALL)
a.

Using the GTS, check Vehicle Control History (RoB).

Powertrain > Stop and Start > Utility
Tester Display
Vehicle Control History (RoB)
50005 392 55
HINT:
·

Checking the freeze frame data allows the vehicle conditions at the time of detection to be confirmed.

·

As Vehicle Control History (RoB) may be overwritten whenever the trigger conditions are met, make sure to save the Vehicle Control History (RoB) data before performing any inspections.




Result:
Result Proceed to
Vehicle control history (RoB) [X0874: Stop & Start Restart Failure (Engine Restart after Engine Stall)] is output A
Vehicle control history (RoB) [X0874: Stop & Start Restart Failure (Engine Restart after Engine Stall)] is not output B



A

2.CUSTOMER PROBLEM ANALYSIS AND SYMPTOM CONFIRMATION

B

2.CUSTOMER PROBLEM ANALYSIS AND SYMPTOM CONFIRMATION
a.

Consult with the customer to determine if they performed operations that could result in an engine stall.

HINT:

(ex.) Heavy load, frequent shifts, etc.



Result:
Result Proceed to
Driver operations that could cause engine stall were performed A
None of the above conditions are met B



A

ENGINE STALL DUE TO DRIVER OPERATION

B

3.CHECK VEHICLE CONTROL HISTORY (RoB) (STOP&START RESTART FAILURE (ENGINE RESTART AFTER ENGINE STALL))
3.CHECK VEHICLE CONTROL HISTORY (RoB) (STOP&START RESTART FAILURE (ENGINE RESTART AFTER ENGINE STALL))
a.

Using the GTS, check Vehicle Control History (RoB).

Powertrain > Stop and Start > Utility
Tester Display
Vehicle Control History (RoB)
50005 392 55

b.

Select the vehicle control history (RoB) item [X0874: Stop&Start Restart Failure (Engine Restart after Engine Stall)] to display the data from the time of control.


c.

Check the output data.

HINT:
·

Checking the freeze frame data allows the vehicle conditions at the time of detection to be confirmed.

·

As Vehicle Control History (RoB) may be overwritten whenever the trigger conditions are met, make sure to save the Vehicle Control History (RoB) data before performing any inspections.




Result:
Result Proceed to
All recorded sections Starter Motor = OFF, and all recorded sections Engine Speed = 0 rpm
HINT:

It is possible that the starter drive command is not being sent from the engine stop and start ECU.


A
Starter Motor = ON for any sections, and all recorded sections Engine Speed = 0 rpm
HINT:

It is possible that the drive command is being sent from the engine stop and start ECU but the starter itself is not moving.


B
Engine Speed > 0 rpm for any sections
HINT:

It is possible that cranking was achieved but the engine stopped.


C



A

REPLACE ENGINE STOP AND START ECU

Click hereEngine / Hybrid System>STOP AND START>ENGINE STOP AND START ECU>REMOVAL

HINT:

It is possible that there is a malfunction of the starter drive circuit inside the stop and start ECU.



B

4.CHECK VEHICLE CONTROL HISTORY (RoB) (CRANKING TIME)

C

8.CHECK VEHICLE CONTROL HISTORY (RoB) (CRANKING TIME)
4.CHECK VEHICLE CONTROL HISTORY (RoB) (CRANKING TIME)
a.

Using the GTS, check Vehicle Control History (RoB).

Powertrain > Stop and Start > Utility
Tester Display
Vehicle Control History (RoB)
50005 392 55

b.

Select a vehicle control history (RoB) item to display the data from the time of control.


c.

Check the output data.

HINT:
·

Checking the freeze frame data allows the vehicle conditions at the time of detection to be confirmed.

·

As Vehicle Control History (RoB) may be overwritten whenever the trigger conditions are met, make sure to save the Vehicle Control History (RoB) data before performing any inspections.




Result:
Result Proceed to
Cranking Time is 1.5 seconds or more
HINT:

It is possible that there is an external malfunction outside of the stop and start ECU (drive circuit).


A
Cranking Time is less than 1.5 seconds
HINT:

It is possible that there is a malfunction in the stop and start ECU (drive circuit).


B



A

5.CHECK ENGINE STOP AND START ECU (+B VOLTAGE)

B

5.CHECK ENGINE STOP AND START ECU (+B VOLTAGE)
a.

Disconnect the A169 engine stop and start ECU connector.


b.

Turn the ignition switch to ON.


c.

Turn off any electrical loads.


d.

Measure the voltage according to the value(s) in the table below.

Standard Voltage:
Tester Connection Condition Specified Condition
A169-1 (+B) - Body ground Ignition switch ON 11 V or higher



Result:
Proceed to
OK
NG



OK

6.CHECK VEHICLE CONTROL HISTORY (RoB) (BATTERY VOLTAGE)

NG

7.INSPECT AUXILIARY BATTERY
6.CHECK VEHICLE CONTROL HISTORY (RoB) (BATTERY VOLTAGE)
a.

Using the GTS, check Vehicle Control History (RoB).

Powertrain > Stop and Start > Utility
Tester Display
Vehicle Control History (RoB)
50005 392 55

b.

Select a vehicle control history (RoB) item to display the data from the time of control.


c.

Check the output data.

HINT:
·

Checking the freeze frame data allows the vehicle conditions at the time of detection to be confirmed.

·

As Vehicle Control History (RoB) may be overwritten whenever the trigger conditions are met, make sure to save the Vehicle Control History (RoB) data before performing any inspections.

·

Depending on RoB detection timing, the minimum voltage from the previous startup will be stored for the Minimum Voltage (Cranking) and the Minimum Voltage (Starter Solenoid Engagement). For the auxiliary battery condition at the start of the current driving cycle, see Battery Voltage.

·

When the value is 20 V, the value is being calculated.




Result:
Result Proceed to
Battery Voltage is 8.92 V or more A
Battery Voltage is less than 8.92 V B



A

B

7.INSPECT AUXILIARY BATTERY
7.INSPECT AUXILIARY BATTERY
a.

Measure the voltage of the auxiliary battery.

Standard Voltage:

11 to 14 V



Result:
Proceed to
OK
NG



OK

NG

REPLACE AUXILIARY BATTERY

8.CHECK VEHICLE CONTROL HISTORY (RoB) (CRANKING TIME)
a.

Using the GTS, check Vehicle Control History (RoB).

Powertrain > Stop and Start > Utility
Tester Display
Vehicle Control History (RoB)
50005 392 55

b.

Select a vehicle control history (RoB) item to display the "Cranking Time" and "Starter OFF Permission History (ECM)" data from the time of control.


c.

Check the output data.


Result:
Result Proceed to
"Cranking Time" is less than 1.5 seconds "Starter OFF Permission History (ECM)" is ON
HINT:

It is possible that the ECM made a judgment of complete combustion and the ECM then stopped the starter.


A
"Starter OFF Permission History (ECM)" is OFF
HINT:

It is possible that the engine stop and start ECU made a judgment of complete combustion and the engine stop and start ECU then stopped the starter.


B
"Cranking Time" is 1.5 seconds or more.
HINT:

It is possible that the stop and start ECU did not stop the starter.


C



A

GO TO SFI SYSTEM (POOR STARTABILITY)

Click hereEngine / Hybrid System>M20A-FKS, M20C-FKS, M20E-FKS (ENGINE CONTROL)>SFI SYSTEM>Engine Difficult to Start

HINT:

Check whether the speed value of the EFI ECU is not a higher value than the original NE.



B

9.READ VALUE USING GTS (ENGINE SPEED)

C

13.CHECK DATA POINTS (ENGINE SPEED)
9.READ VALUE USING GTS (ENGINE SPEED)
a.

In accordance with the display on the GTS, read the Data List.

Powertrain > Stop and Start > Data List
Tester Display
Engine Speed
Engine Speed (ECM)
50003 392 502,213

b.

Compare the Data List items displayed on the GTS.


Result:
Result Proceed to
Engine Speed > Engine Speed (ECM) + 100 rpm A
None of the above conditions are met B



A

10.CHECK DATA POINTS (ENGINE SPEED AND ENGINE SPEED (ECM))

B

12.CHECK ENGINE STOP AND START ECU (STA SIGNAL)
10.CHECK DATA POINTS (ENGINE SPEED AND ENGINE SPEED (ECM))
a.

In accordance with the display on the GTS, read the Data List.

Powertrain > Stop and Start > Utility
Tester Display
Vehicle Control History (RoB)
50005 392 55

b.

Select a vehicle control history (RoB) item to display the data from the time of control.


c.

Check the data points in the data that was output.

HINT:
·

Checking the freeze frame data allows the vehicle conditions at the time of detection to be confirmed.

·

As Vehicle Control History (RoB) may be overwritten whenever the trigger conditions are met, make sure to save the Vehicle Control History (RoB) data before performing any inspections.




Result:
Result Proceed to
For each and all of the data points, "Engine Speed" > "Engine Speed (ECM)" + 100 rpm A
None of the above conditions are met B



A

B

11.CHECK ENGINE STOP AND START ECU (STA SIGNAL)
11.CHECK ENGINE STOP AND START ECU (STA SIGNAL)
A471297C13
3.292,0.49 3.729,0.76 0.438,0.271 4.031,2.188 3.74,1.208 true 3.125,2.094 3.417,1.333 true 2.979,2.146 3.438,2.458 0.458,0.313 10 false STA 3.865,2.24 4.521,2.427 0.656,0.188 10 false DGND 3.354,0.552 3.781,0.75 0.427,0.198 10 false A169 0.896,0.365 1.271,0.563 0.375,0.198 10 false *a
*a Component with harness connected
(Engine Stop and Start ECU)
- -


a.

Using the GTS, perform Active Test.

Powertrain > Stop and Start > Active Test
Tester Display
Starter Motor Drive Magnet Switch(Hood Close)
50004 392 42019

b.

Measure the voltage according to the value(s) in the table below.

Click hereEngine / Hybrid System>STOP AND START>STOP AND START SYSTEM>TERMINALS OF ECU

Standard Voltage:
Tester Connection Condition Specified Condition
A169-21 (STA) - A169-6 (DGND) Performing Active Test, while cranking. 6 to 14 V



c.
A435595E01
3.021,1.271 3.354,1.479 0.333,0.208 10 false GND

Using an oscilloscope, measure the waveform immediately after starting.

Item Content
Tester Connection A169-21 (STA) - A169-6 (DGND)
Tool Setting 10 V/DIV., 200 ms./DIV.
Condition During cranking

OK:

Voltage and waveform both normal



Result:
Proceed to
OK
NG



OK

NG

12.CHECK ENGINE STOP AND START ECU (STA SIGNAL)
A471297C14
3.292,0.49 3.729,0.76 0.438,0.271 4.031,2.188 3.74,1.208 true 3.125,2.094 3.417,1.333 true 2.979,2.146 3.438,2.458 0.458,0.313 10 false STA 3.865,2.24 4.521,2.427 0.656,0.188 10 false DGND 3.354,0.552 3.781,0.75 0.427,0.198 10 false A169 0.896,0.365 1.271,0.563 0.375,0.198 10 false *a
*a Component with harness connected
(Engine Stop and Start ECU)
- -


a.

Using the GTS, perform Active Test.

Powertrain > Stop and Start > Active Test
Tester Display
Starter Motor Drive Magnet Switch(Hood Close)
50004 392 42019

b.

Measure the voltage according to the value(s) in the table below.

Click hereEngine / Hybrid System>STOP AND START>STOP AND START SYSTEM>TERMINALS OF ECU

Standard Voltage:
Tester Connection Condition Specified Condition
A169-21 (STA) - A169-6 (DGND) Performing Active Test, while cranking. 6 to 14 V



c.
A435595E01
3.021,1.271 3.354,1.479 0.333,0.208 10 false GND

Using an oscilloscope, measure the waveform immediately after starting.

Item Content
Tester Connection A169-21 (STA) - A169-6 (DGND)
Tool Setting 10 V/DIV., 200 ms./DIV.
Condition During cranking

OK:

Voltage and waveform both normal



Result:
Proceed to
OK
NG



OK

NG

13.CHECK DATA POINTS (ENGINE SPEED)
a.

Select a vehicle control history (RoB) item to display the data from the time of control.


b.

Check the output data.

HINT:
·

Checking the freeze frame data allows the vehicle conditions at the time of detection to be confirmed.

·

As Vehicle Control History (RoB) may be overwritten whenever the trigger conditions are met, make sure to save the Vehicle Control History (RoB) data before performing any inspections.




Result:
Result Proceed to
When Starter Motor is ON, there is even 1 point at which Engine Speed < 300 rpm A
None of the above conditions are met B



A

B

14.CHECK OPERATION
14.CHECK OPERATION
a.

Check how long it took the engine to stall after turning the starter off.


Result:
Result Proceed to
After starter turned off, engine immediately stalls.
HINT:

Engine stalls within 2 seconds.


A
After starter turned off, engine stalls after a time. B



A

B